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Topic: Inmate poly
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pal_karcsi
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posted 03-03-2009 10:50 AM
  
I was asked to polygraph an inmate priest for determining if he was responsible for a murder.
However the guy is handcuffed in his wrists and the prison authorities, don´t want to uncuff the guy. To me it seems a little bit difficult polygraphing someone who is handcuffed, because the pneumo assembly and the cardiac assembly are touching his body and distorting the signals.Any ideas ? Best, ------------------
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YLIE2ME
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posted 03-03-2009 11:02 AM
Pal,You are correct, it is nearly impossible to test someone who is handcuffed. The last test I did like that, I convinced them to uncuff one hand, and cuff the subject to the polygraph chair. They can still say that he was cuffed, but you will be able to conduct your test. Good luck
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ebvan
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posted 03-03-2009 02:16 PM
Doesn't it seem a bit odd that they are prepared to trust him to cooperate with the polygraph but don't trust him to spend a few minutes without handcuffs?------------------
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Ted Todd
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posted 03-03-2009 09:04 PM
My policy is no restraints, no how, no way. I think it would invalidate the process to do an examination on a restrained subject. I even remove the ankle restraints. I have tested some real "bad boys" and I make sure I have back up just outside the door. If they have to be restrained, don't do the test.Ted IP: Logged |
pal_karcsi
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posted 03-03-2009 09:12 PM
Ted ,The point is that in my country every inmate should be handcuffed, no matter if you only are talking to them or polygraphing the subject.
We don´t make the law , lawyers made it.
It´s a shame , but is the reality.
However I agree that nobody should make a poly restrained.
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Ted Todd
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posted 03-03-2009 10:19 PM
Pal,
This is why I love this fourm! In the USA, even questioning a "restrained suspect" may violate his rights. We always have to walk a fine line here. But we do it well and we have good people doing it.Ted IP: Logged |
sackett
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posted 03-03-2009 11:04 PM
Pal,I agree with Ted, no restraints, or no poly. Are they worried about your safety or just calling it policy? I mean, common! Where's he going...?
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Poly761
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posted 03-03-2009 11:47 PM
Pal -I agree with the "no test" comments. In addition, I believe we may all agree the cuffs could be considered a "distraction" and prohibited by APA By-laws 3.6.1 - END..... IP: Logged |
rcgilford
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posted 03-04-2009 07:22 AM
I will not test anyone in handcuffs or any type of physical restraint. The process is supposed to be voluntary. A restrained examinee can not be argued as a voluntary test.IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 03-04-2009 08:53 PM
I've never tested with handcuffs, but I have had people in in leg restraints. They're used to it when they leave the secure facility. It's no different than court. They know they are in custody and are viewed as escape risks. They've always been well behaved - after all, they asked to take the test.I don't see how you could run a good test in handcuffs. The cardio cuff would be forced up against the side of the chest, which means you'll get a "rolling" cardio as the chest pushes the cardio cuff when the guy breathes in and out. This may be one of those time when you want to try a finger cuff or create something to hold the arms up so you don't get that ugly cardio. You've got to do the best you can with what you've got to work with. With some creativity, I'd think you could find a remedy. (You can get a cardio from the calf too.) IP: Logged |
Martin Davila
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posted 04-07-2009 10:54 AM
I Poly Heavy Duty Inmates, often SHU (ad-seg) inmates almos exclusively. Policy in these Prisons will not allow these inmates to go unrestrained at any time. Therefore, I have them placed in waist chains and uncuff one arm to apply the cardio cuff. I dont see how leg restraints would adversely impact an exam. Best I can do.IP: Logged |
pal_karcsi
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posted 04-07-2009 05:05 PM
Martin :Gracias por tu aportacion. Que es SHU ? Saludos, ------------------
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ebvan
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posted 04-07-2009 06:29 PM
SHU = Secure Housing Unit------------------
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